Posts by Esse quam videri

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Esse quam videri

cofty -
Which books that present the scientific evidence for evolution you have read.
I predict the answer is none and that you will ignore the question.
Your questions strongly suggest you have never read a single word.

My dear, dear, cofty. Let me explain the way this works. When someone propounds a belief they leave themselves open to inquiry from whoever may take an interest in the subject. If the inquiry is insincere they may chose to ignore it or answer in kind or answer sincerely to adjust the thinking of the inquirer or answer to reach other onlookers who may be more accepting of the argument. Whatever the reason, it is valid to the responder. It does not have to make sense or find favor with anyone else. How you answer is totally up to you. However, the inquirer does have the right to continue asking questions and making comment on the belief as long as the responder, you for example, continues to make reply. [I'll change the thought now because I think I am starting to confuse myself.]

Therefore, being as YOU are the one who is forwarding your belief, and I am not forwarding any belief, but merely asking questions and making comment [even if they are, at times, smart ass comments] I do not have to answer any questions, I do not have to prove I have read any books, I do not have to justify my thoughts. It is sufficient for me to simply forward questions and comments that you, the propounder of the belief, may or may not choose to answer.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Esse quam videri

So I ask.

Why is it that with over 7 billion people on this earth, living in such varied degrees of temperatures, year after year, generation after generation, from the hottest countries in Africa to the coldest nations bordering the Arctic circle, why is it that all 7 billion, that's every one of them mind you, has a body temperature of about 98.6 degrees. [Granted a variation of 1 degree F is possible] Why is it that evolution has not kicked in to raise or lower the body temperatures of these varied nations. Why is it that someone with 3 or 4 degrees rise in temperature is viewed as sick and not looked at as a start of a beneficial evolutionary change.

Sure, evolution has worked to control the body temperature and maintained the balance with heat production mechanisms and heat loss mechanisms to keep a constant body temperature.

Why go to all that work? Why not just change to core temperature? And would you not think out of 7000 million people there were a few who were taking off toward a higher or lower body temperature?

And why not shift the positions of the kidneys and lungs etc in the body? Surely they must have had a wild ride to get where they are. Why stop now? Certainly out of 7000 million people there would be some who would be showing movement of organs, finding a better spot. A definite evolutionary improvement. Or has man reached perfection and evolution has gone on to other challenges?

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Esse quam videri

The evidence that life may have emerged in an Alkaline vent is basis for a hypothesis. Lots more work remains to be done before anybody can say anything with any confidence.

David Splane, " The evidence that Fred Franz is a pivotal link in the overlapping generation is basis for a hypothesis. Lots more work remains to be done before the faithful and discreet slave can say anything with any confidence."

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Esse quam videri

cofty Why do you hate science?

I love science.

I love formal science such as logic and mathematics.

I love social science. The humanities. The study of human behaviour, both in the individual and society absolutely fascinate me. The study of human psychology, which is somewhat what we do on this forum. Comments and responses. Response to stimuli etc. You give me stimuli, I give you a response. visa versa.

I love political science.

Applied sciences , engineering and medicine. etc.etc.etc.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Esse quam videri

cofty '..The fact that every living thing evolved from a common ancestor over millions of years is beyond all reasonable doubt.'.

Blue jays, fir trees, elephants, fleas, dolphins, cactus, pineapples, blueberries, crocodiles, raccoons, mosquitoes, tigers, snakes, apples, spinach, my Uncle Charlie, cockroaches [well okay Uncle Charlie and cockroaches I can see] all have a [one] common ancestor.

Right!

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Esse quam videri

One of the most compelling hypothesis is that it happened in Alkaline vents under the ocean but there are other contenders.

Oh, okay, I get it. Probably, until we get 'new light'.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Esse quam videri

cofty

For someone who tries passing off ideas with what you consider 'exact and detailed explanations, 'probably' doesn't seem to fit in.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Esse quam videri

cofty '... probably in alkaline vents under the ocean...'

PROBABLY IN ALKALINE VENTS UNDER THE OCEAN?

PROBABLY?

?????????

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One Person Baptized at Circuit Assembly

by Simon Templar in

i went to the circuit assembly with my wife yesterday.

i have to keep peace in the family.

there were less than 1,000 people for both the morning and the afternoon sessions.

Esse quam videri

Simon Templar , '...The 900 or so other people just sat there and listened. He asked her two questions which she answered aloud,..'

I would have given a dollar to hear her answer no to each question.

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Kingdom Hall Attenders: Consider Stopping the Use of Loaded Language

by OnTheWayOut in

it's been a long time since i attended, but i understand that many of you still go to the kingdom hall for your various reasons.. a huge thing that helped me in my mentally breaking from their beliefs was to stop using their terms that put you, virtually automatically, into their thought mode.. using terms like "the truth," jw's feel special about themselves and this helps them separate themselves from "the world.

" by incorporating loaded language, jw's learn not to think, but merely to memorize words and phrases instead of analyzing a situation.. the reasons someone misses meetings is because they are "spiritually weak.

" they might be involved in "worldly thinking.".

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baker '...I started prayin to just Lord and my wife could not wait to wail against me when over, like where,s Jehovah? I said he heard it if he is a god....'

" ... thank you, Brother Elders, for meeting with me. I realize that you all want to get home after such a wonderful meeting. I'll just take a few minutes of your time. I am experiencing a serious situation in my family. My wife has started to criticize the wording I use in my home prayers. Particularly she does not like it when I refer to Jehovah as Lord. Imagine how shocked I was when she first complained. Just imagine, complaining about the prayers of the head of the house. Imagine her not wanting me to call Jehovah Lord. I am afraid the Lord, Jehovah, will take his spirit away from my household, if he hasn't done it already. She seems to be getting increasingly critical and being as the Lord has given you the responsibility to protect the congregation from such thinking and to readjust the thinking of those leaving the path, I have to ask that you talk to her to correct her thinking. May the Lord be with you..."